Studies In The Apocalypse (Part 19– Rev. 6: 1- 6: 2)

 (6: 1) “And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.”

  The Dispensation of Judgment has now begun.  Naturally, we ask ourselves, whether this period will cover seven years exactly, or begin prior to Daniel’s 70th week.  E.W. Bullinger is of the opinion that the seal judgments will cover about 40 years, embracing the whole of the sunteleia and telos, down to the second coming of Christ.  The sunteleia is the consummation, or meeting point, of the ages, which may be denominated as an “overlapping.”  The telos is the last half of the 70th week, or Great Tribulation–also known as “Jacob’s Trouble” (Jer. 30: 7).

  It is a common practice of expositors to view the seal judgments as pertaining to the 70th week alone.  We believe that, in substance, this is correct.  However, I draw the reader’s attention to the fact, that the six seals are correlative to the predictions of Christ’s Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13).  That our Lord’s own account of the sunteleia embraces a period longer than the first half of the 70th week, is on all hands generally conceded.  Therefore, we hold that the sunteleia outlined by Christ will develop into the 70th week of Daniel.  The full development will be found in the first four seals, whose fulfillment will issue in the telos, or last-half of the week (covered by the fifth and sixth seals).  This view, if accepted, leads us to believe that the seal-judgments will officially begin at the commencement of Daniel’s 70th week.

   Of course, if there is an absolute parallel between the predictions of Matthew 24: 4-14 and the first four seals (which take the prophecy up to the middle of the 70th week) then the Dispensation of Judgment will begin sooner than most people think.  It could actually start at any time.

  When Christ opens this first seal, John hears the noise of thunder.  This can bode nothing but ill for those who live upon the earth in sin and unbelief.  At this point in the vision, a new Dispensation begins; though, as I stated in my last study, there will be an overlapping of law and grace during the entire 70th week–just as there was during our Lord’s earthly ministry.  It is of the greatest importance to understand that the Book of Revelation contains the re-taking up of where God left off at the close of the 69th week, when Christ was crucified.  The Day of Pentecost began a new Dispensation of Grace, in which judgment, which logically should have followed the murder of God’s only Son, was withheld, and grace extended– first to the nation, and then to the whole guilty world. 

   Since the start of this Dispensation, the Lord has been dealing with individuals, and not nations.  Hence we see not yet all things put under Him (Hebrews 2: 8).  Until this Dispensation concludes, God is deliberately withholding His judgments. But when the Lamb begins to break the seals, the period of grace will have ended.  Of course, salvation will still be possible during the tribulation.  But it will no longer be according to the Gospel of the Grace of God, which was preached after Pentecost.  Rather, it will be according to that Gospel of the Kingdom which was first preached by Christ, the twelve apostles and the seventy, the proclamation of which ended on the Cross, when Christ was “cut off, having nothing” (Daniel 9: 26).  This Gospel will be republished toward the close of this age (see Matthew 24: 14).  Which fact helps explain why the doctrines of Pauline grace are entirely absent from the Book of Revelation

 (6: 2) “And I saw, and behold, a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”

  That this rider on the white horse must and can only represent the personal Antichrist on his headlong career of destruction, must be conceded by all.  Here is where our Lord’s Olivet Discourse offers us a essential key to interpreting John’s visions.  Giving a prophetic account of the sunteleia, or consummation of the age (not the actual end, or telos, which begins in verse 15), He says: “Take heed that no man deceive you.  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24: 5).  Hence the first sign of the sunteleia will be the rise of false Christs and Messiahs.

  The world is now beginning to witness the entrance onto the political stage of Messianic figures.  Christ told us that this would come to pass, and His predictions are being fulfilled as we write.  These Messianic personages, of which we have seen a few already, will probably multiply as the age progresses, and as many world leaders battle for ultimate world supremacy, even dominion over the new world empire which must soon arise.  What we see in the first seal, however, is the culmination or perfection of these false Messiahs.  The many who say “I am Christ” will in time be succeeded by one, to whom the dominion of the empire will be given.  It is this person we see on the white horse, as he rides forth to bring the remaining nations that have not yet come under his domain, into subjection.

  The Lord’s Olivet Discourse is a true launching-pad for any interpretation of the seal judgments.  But as we study Scripture, and especially the Old Testament prophets, we sometimes come across verses which seem to fit another passage perfectly, as if their very design were to elucidate some obscure truth.  The key to unlocking the verse above which speaks of the white horse rider may be found in Jeremiah 27: 5-8.  Hearken closely, as we quote it in full. 

   “I have made the earth, the man and beast that are upon the ground, by my great power, and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.  And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant: and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.  And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son’s son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.  And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the Lord, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.” (Italics mine).

  Keep these verses in mind as we continue.  For they afford us the very key to unlocking the meaning of the seal judgments.  Here, in Revelation 6: 2, the rider on the white horse is given a crown.  The Greek word is stephanos, which means a triumphal crown.  This signifies that earthly dominion will be bestowed to him.  As we’ll find later, this dominion will be worldwide.

   Antichrist is given this crown for a purpose: that he may go forth to conquer.  As I wrote in my article Nebuchadnezzar and The Typology of Antichrist, king Nebuchadnzzar was a type of Paul’s “man of sin” (2 Thess. 2: 3), the culmination of individualistic evil, who shall arise at the end of this age and gain worldwide power over all earthly governments.  When we come to discuss the second, third, and fourth seals, we’ll see how this first seal is connected with a true and ultimate fulfillment Jeremiah 27: 5-8.  Also, mark well that this “white horse rider” will be on the scene unto the very time of Christ’s coming in glory.  As a main instigator of the earthly scenes which follow, he is inextricably related to the following seal judgments; although, as we learn from inspired Apostle John, all decrees come from the throne of God. 

  Antichrist rides a white horse, for he is a counterfeit Messiah.  The real Messiah, Jesus Christ our Lord, will appear at the close of the tribulation on a white horse (see Revelation 19).  Before that time, at least seven years previous to the Lord’s second coming, there will appear a pseudo-Messiah, who will be the Antichrist.  His origin and power are not from above, but from beneath.  Whereas he’ll hold forth a “Messianic hope,” it will not be the hope offered by Jesus Christ.  Christ offers us deliverance from this present evil world, release from the bondage and guilt of sin, as well as the promise of everlasting life.  Antichrist will offer freedom from the dominion of Jesus Christ, as his precursors do today.  He will facilitate sinful man’s rebellion against God’s righteous government, and will stand at the head of those Gentile nations which shall say: “Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us” (Psalm 2: 3).  Already we see this happening throughout the world.  As false Messiahs arise, each promises humanity a greater liberty to sin.  But this license (for that is what it truly is) will soon backfire, resulting in a more rigorous subjection of the nations of the world to “the one” who shall receive the crown.

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  1. bluerooster12 says:

    Hi Brian,
    Saw your blog on the white horse rider. The white horse rider has caught my attention for some months now and I try to do searches on him as much as I can. I came across your blog because of the search so just had to add this comment.

    John is viewing all this in the Judgment room and the thundering is more than likely, like the thundering that Moses and the tribes of Israel heard. This beast in Rev. 6:1 is one of the archangels namely Michael and he is the one sending out the White Horse Rider.

    Many people claim that this white horse rider is the anti-christ but lets look at some verses to see.

    This is often believed because the first sign of the “olivet sermon” is believed to be false christs. Here are the verses this idea is taken from:

    KJV Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
    Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    KJV Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore afte rthem
    KJV Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    These verses are not speaking of false christs. When Jesus says “many will come in my name” he is speaking of those claiming to be believers “in His name.” Therefore, when Christ says they would be saying “I am Christ” He is saying they would be calling HIM Christ – NOT announcing themselves as Christ! If they were announcing themselves as Christ then they could not be said to come in “My name” i.e. Messiah’s name.
    These verses are not about false christs. They are about “many who come in His name” that will “decieve many.” In other words, believers who are deceivers!

    Jesus spoke of apostate end-time believers earlier in Matthew:
    KJV Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    MANY – G4183 – pol-oos’- as adverb or noun often, mostly, largely..
    While many will do “wonderful works” in Messiah’s name “many: (MOST) who come in His name seeking entry into the Kingdom will not be doers of His Father’s will. To them He says; I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    Iniquity is rebellion.

    Messiah’s point:
    The majority of professed believers in the final days, though professing Christ, are nevertheless rejected by Him as apostates because they are not doing the will of the Father but remain in rebellion. Therefore, even though they profess Christ we need to take care not to be deceived by them.
    Paul taught this same doctrine regarding the apostacy in the last days:
    MKJV 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, my brothers, with regard to the coming of ourLord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
    2Th 2:2 that you should not be soon shaken in mind or troubled, neither by spirit, norby word or letter, as through us, as if the Day of Christ is at hand.
    2Th 2:3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,
    2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

    G646 apostasia ap-os-tas-ee’-ah
    Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): -falling away, forsake.

    The apostacy of the majority of those professing Messiah in the last days is the first sign – not false christs.

    Actually, false christs are a sign, but that sign is not first. It comes much later in the sermon:
    KJV Mat 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
    The apostacy which is the first sign of the olivet sermon is identical to the apostacy of the churches foretold in Revelation 1-3. Therefore, neither false christs, nor apostates are pictured by the white horse rider.

    Is the white horse rider Anti-Christ?

    White is used throughout Revelation to represent righteousness. Therefore, this could not be anti-christ. The white horse rider is an overcomer, as the Greek word is used throughout Revelation 1-3.
    And I saw when the Lamb opened the first of the seals. And I heard, as it were the noise of thunder: The first of the four living creatures saying, Come! And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him; and he issued forth conquering (nik-ah’-o), and to conquer (nik-ah’-o). Rev 6 1-2
    Rev 3:21 He who overcomes (nik-ah’-o), I will give to him to sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame (nik-ah’-o), and sat down with my Father on his throne.

  2. JOHN V!! says:

    Bluerooster, Excellent discernment. Give me one who can discern God’s Word over ten thousand who can only quote it. I also see the rider as one who is symbolic of a righteous person because of the color of his horse. Far too many observe this rider as being either Jesus Christ or the anti-christ. Nevertheless, God’s Word clearly reveals who this rider is. This man is the Arrow hidden in God’s quiver (Isa.49:2 kjv). That is why a bow is displayed in (Rev.6:2) but no arrow is seen. The arrow hidden is the rider hidden (not seen) or understood. That is why none can pinpoint exactly who the rider symbolizes! He does not go forth as one does in war but he seeks to conquer the hearts of men for his LORD. God will shoot him forth and he will go to the hearts of many people for God’s Glory (Zech.9:13-14). Although, todays interpreters teach that (Isa.49) is speaking about God the Father hiding his Servant and Son, Jesus; this is not correct according to Scripture. God the Father has no shadow (James.1:17) to hid that man in the shadow of his hand (Isa.49:2). On the other hand Jesus who is of the make up of flesh and bone has a shadow. Therefore, Jesus of the Trinity can be the only one being spoken of here, as to who it is that has concealed that hidden man. I know the shadow may be symbolic but if it is meant to apply that it is God the Father; that would seem confusing and God is not the author of confusion. Therefore, I believe the shadow was mentioned to reveal the true identity of the one that that speaker is declaring. So if that would be the correct observation, we must consider other teachings that may not be observing the correct meaning of much of what has been taught, about the Book of Revelation and the last days. Could it be that we have missed much through those who profess to know and understand the meanings of these days. The Word says this is exactly what is happening. That those who profess to belong to the Lord Jesus do not correctly teach, understand or see the meaning of these days. (Job.24 kjv) WHY, SEEING the times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days)? Consider, many claim the woman in (Rev.12) is symbolic of Israel, Yet, if it does not agree with the Word believe it not. God declares Israel is his son his first-born(Exod.4:22). Never would God allow a son to become a symbol of a woman!! True this woman is symbolic of a nation but not Israel, but it is the nation who conquers the moon (Rev.12) in the latter days. Shiloh is the rider on the white horse. He is the same who gathers the people in (Gen.49:10, Isa.49:5-6)for the end days. Shiloh is not symbolic of the (KING) of Israel (Jesus) but to him to whom it belongs; that is the true (prince) of Israel (Ezek.21:25-26). If you can receive it this is that man child of (Rev.12:5)who comes forth from (travail) the Greek meaning of the bow (Rev.6:2). Consider therefore, that throughout (Isa.41-52) the one that is declaring these words through the mouth of Isaiah calls himself the Redeemer, the King of Jacob (Jews) and the creator of all things (John.1:1,3,14)(Isa.41:14, 21,43:3,14,15,44:24,49,7,9). These names only apply to Jesus who redeemed as with his blood. Therefore, if this be so who is he calling his servant and elect one in (Isa.42). We have been taught that many of these verses in these chapters (Isa.41-52) applies to Jesus, but the one speaking is Jesus. He is not talking about himself or he would use the pronoun I or me. We must honor God’s Word foremost, not the incorrect teachings of men that fail to line up with God’s Word. That servant is one of Jesus’ many sons of course. Thus, the KING of Israel calls forth his son, the (prince) of Israel, for a son of a King is always a prince, even Shiloh.

  3. Hi John,

    Thanks for your highly edifying comments.

    Peace & Health,

    Brian

  4. bluerooster12 says:

    To John V and Brian

    I was thinking more on lines that the White Horse Rider of Rev. 6 would fall on a different person. Before Y’shua appeared on the scene so to speak there was a forerunner. That forerunner was John the Immerser he was the one getting the people ready for Y’shua’s entrance.
    Looking at Mark 9:12 Then He answered and told them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt? Here we see Y’shua saying that Elijah is coming first, just like John the Immerser. He is also implying that this is John the Immerser but also Elijah at the same time. Therefore we have to themes in one here. One is about John the Immerser and two is about Elijah.
    Indeed John the Immerser did come before Y’shua but he did not restore all things. We know this because the government of Israel was not restored nor has it been restored as of today. Yes there is a government in Israel but it is not of the government that Y’shua instituted before he left with the seventy disciples. The government will be of ancient paths that the remnant of Israel will be placed in and not some political government as we see now. These will be the remnant of Israel that hold His Word and keep His Word and also believe in Y’shua the Messiah.
    Taking this we then have to look at a forerunner coming before Y’shua which I believe is the White Horse Rider. This Elijah and I am not certain his name will be Elijah but that is what I will use for discussion. He will come as a forerunner to restore all things first. If we go to Malachi chapters three and four which I used to think was talking about Y’shua. You will see that this is talking about the forerunner. Just like you explained above that Y’shua wasn’t talking about himself, here we find the same. Y’shua is talking about the forerunner.
    In Mark nine Y’shua was talking to people who understood Hebraic thinking and also understood about the phrase restore all things. It has just gotten lost over the centuries as the Word has been tuned more to the Greco-Roman type of thinking.
    So the key verse in all of this is the Restore all things. This is what perked my ears. I knew when I read this that John the Immerser had not done this. But Y’shua said Elijah would so who would be better than the White Horse Rider. He is an overcomer which like John the Immerser who overcame many oppositions while he was in his ministry. This Elijah to come will be sealed by YHWH and will like the first Elijah have power over the weather. He will be a mighty man of YHWH and he will have the Spirit (Rauch) of YHWH on him. He will be the bridge sort of speak to heaven. He will stop things from happening and he will let things happen. He is the messenger of YHWH that is also found in Revelation 7:2.
    Thanks for the discussion. I like it when we all can come together without hate and blog through what Y’shua does in our lives. I am by no means an expert or theologian just a man on walk with my Messiah, Y’shua.
    I haven’t been on WordPress for a while and was surprised to see that someone responded to my response. Thanks!

  5. JOHN V!! says:

    Bluerooster; It is encouraging to hear from someone who discerns scripture beyond what has only been the ideas of others who profess to understand. I believe seeking to grasp the meaning of God’s Word only intellectually defeats the purpose of the depth of its meaning. I believe the correct discernment of the words of prophesy is trasnferred to our intellect through the written word but must in the final anaylsis be comprehended spiritually. For it was through the Spirit that the words were delivered and I believe only through a spirit alive in Christ can a man or woman correctly discipher its meaning. Not to underate the intellectual but to emphasis the spiritual manifestations. I believe if we could understand the symbolisims in the bible we would capture 5% of its meaning. A major accomplishment in my opinion, considering that i believe we (the populace) only understand 1% if that. Yes, I agree, there seems to be every indication that one will come before the Lord of Glory makes his final entrance into this dismal world. Symbolically, I believe, this is the meaning of the ass and the colt that Jesus rode into Jerusalem. This act fulfilled in part the words of (Gen.49:11) Binding his foal to the vine and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine. This symbolizes the actions of Judah not Shiloh who in the end gathers the people. I believe the ass symbolizes the messenger John, at Christ first coming and the colt symbolizes that messenger hidden, at Christ second coming. It is the friend of the bridegroom who must prepare the arrangements and gather the people! Not until then is the marriage consummated!

  6. Hi BlueRooster,

    That is an interesting view. Thanks for edifying us. It is possible that the white horse rider may be Elijah. I’ve always looked for a verse in the Old Testament which contains this concpet of the rider going forth. But the closest I’ve come is Zech. 6: 1-5, which doesn’t shed much light on the subject. At any rate, the white horse of Rev. 6 seems to have a special character that the other horses don’t possess.

    Peace & Health,

    Brian

  7. Hi John V,

    I agree with you that “head knowledge” alone doesn’t enable us to get at the truth. There has to be spiritual anointing before we can truly understand the Bible — especially prophecy. I remember hearing someone say once that the “Scriptures are burglar-proof to those who don’t have the spiritual combination.”

    Peace & Health,

    Brian

  8. JOHN V!! says:

    Brain,

    I liked your comment about the spiritual combination. Whoever made that statement had an understanding of the truth about interpretation of spiritual insights especially within prophetic meanings. I would also like to add my opinion about the purpose of the white horse in (Rev.6:2). Although I lack in all areas and depth of understanding of those things deep in meaning; I still somewhat relay on common sense and heavily on God’s grace. I believe the white horse is secondary in meaning compared to the rider thereof. I believe the four horses of (Rev.6) are representitive of a linear point of time and space within the tribulation period. This is the purpose of a horse; the transfer movement observed within time and space. That is, I believe, one horse represents a period of war during that time, (tribulations) another of famine, another of the destruction of a quarter of the earth’s substance and another of a period of God’s servants doing exploits and demonstrating the demonstable proof of God’s final call to a lost humanity. However, I believe, to understand the full scope of the seals they must be read backwards. How did I come to this conclusion; through God’s grace, common sense and God’s Word (Isa.46:9-11) of which all of these gifts come from God.

    Consider, that in (Rev.6:12) a great earthquake comes forth. Now, consider, that in the next verse (13) the stars fall to the earth. Then in verse (14) the heaven departs as a scroll. God’s Word is demonstrating that these verses read backwards and are not chronological in its meaning. Simply because earthly events have no effect on heavenly outcomes, but heavenly events aways cause earthly effects. in otherwords, earthquakes do not cause stars to fall or heaven to depart but stars falling and heaven departing could easily cause an earthquake. So, I believe, verses (12-14) of (Rev.6) should be read backwards and if so then verses (1-17) of (Rev.6) should be read the same way. So, I believe, a question is being presented more so than a statement in (Rev.6:17). Because that verse (17) is also demonstrating that the events of (Rev.6:1-16) had not yet commenced. Consider, why? If an earthquake had already taken place, and the sun had become black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood, and the stars had already fell, and the heaven had already departed (Rev.6:12-14). Why would you after all of these happenings then run to the mountains and rocks to hide, two verses later (Rev.15-16)? You wouldn’t, you head for saftey when you anticipate something is about to happen not after the happening already has past! Therefore, the populace as a whole; the kings (Senators, Congressmen, Congresswomen, and Governors) the rich men, the chief captains (Generals, Admirals, Secretarial ministers of governmental affairs) the mighty men (military soldiers) every bondman (general laborers serving the public interest) and every free man (retirees) knew an event of cataclysmic propportion was about to commence! They all hid themselves seeking a place from God’s wrath, and not the destruction it was moments away. Therefore, the very last verse in (Rev.6) Is the start of the Lord’s wrath, anger. No one goes forth to destroy, fight, go to war,, punch someone in the nose, until they first get angry. Yet, we are taught to believe that God destroys eveything in these (verse 1-16) of (Rev.6) and at the end verse (17) then that is when he gets angry. Anger always comes forth first and then destruction, not the other way around! Again what was promised to the saints in (Rev.6:11) came to pass and was fulfilled two veses before (Rev.6:9) before not after verse (11). Therefore, I also see (Rev.8) describing much of the same events as is happening in (Rev.6). One chapter is the viewpoint of the WHOLE EARTH, while the other chapter is a wiewpoint of the effects of that destuction on a nation. I believe that is why men have misunderstood the meaning of the word EARTH in portions of the book of Revelation. Enoch, who twice (1 Enoch.1:5-7,83;3-8) saw the same events as (Rev.6:12-14) sought to make clear this difference between the word EARTH and the WHOLE EARTH (1Enoch.83:8). Enoch was not witnessing the destruction of the world as a whole but a potion thereof. For from the position of Enoch’s viewpoint he saw only from a distance but not an expansion of the whole. Later however, in verse 10 of chapter 83 he states when he had gone forth below he saw a few stars, and the WHOLE EARTH. If he had done so in the dream vision, witnessed the WHOLE EARTH, why did he not record the destruction of the WHOLE EARTH instead of stating just the earth absent the words WHOLE EARTH? For through his statements he revealed that he knew the terminology of the difference of the two words EARTH and the WHOLE EARTH, World! Just a final remark here. I, Believe, the interpretation of the Book of Enoch by those who failed in the past to understand its meaning has done an injustice to its importance. If these men would have studied the book correctly, they would have understood the importance of the meaning of the capital letters of He, Him and His (in the Ethiopian version) representing God (Father or Son, as understood in the context). Yet, the small lettering of he, him, and his is representing another who is not God or the preincarnate Christ or Jesus Christ in flesh! Thie Ethiopian version of this book clearly shows this man (chosen one, Elect One, Righteous One, hidden One, Son of man, etc. is God’s first born spiritually. God the Trinity created him spiritually before all thing and named him even before the stars or earth were made. That is the confusion of understanding the Book of Enoch. Also when the book stastes, the Lord of Spirits, this refers to only God the Father, but if it states, the name of the Lord of Spirits, this is Jesus Christ, as also is the head of days. Besides, This man is judging angels; men do that not God; Know ye not that we shall judge the angels. So now if any will read the book of Enoch with these other desciptions in mind you will notice that that man is never worshiped but that the Lord of Spirits or the name of the Lord of Spirits alone is worshiped in song before (him), not before (Him) (1Enoch.48:4-5:)! This same Son of Man had to be given the secrets of Wisdom and counsel by the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) (1Enoch.51:3). Jesus Christ as the omniscient God that he is, always did possess wisdom, was never and will never be lacking in any form of wisdom and was not dependent on the Father to give Him something he always possessed. This man who is clearly depicted worshiping the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) and the name of the Lord of Spirits (God the Son) in (1Enoch.61:10) is not Jesus Christ in any format. This man in the book of Enoch cannot be Jesus, preincarnate or otherwise. Simply because he lacks in many areas and needs asistance!

  9. Hi John,

    Thanks for sharing those thoughts. Well, you may have something there.

    BTW, let me know if you ever wanted to do a podcast with me on these subjects.

    Peace & Health,

    Brian

  10. loye says:

    Thanks all for all the contributions on the white horse rider of revelations 6. You have cleared off all the confusions and misconceptions about this white horse rider. These hiden truths which are eternal truths needs be made known to the entire world as the survival of the human race may as well depend on this great truth!
    The rider on the white horse is indeed a man coming in the name of Christ to do the work of Christ. He will prepare the way for the second coming of Christ. This is the last chance man will have to repent from their wickedness, otherwise they will face eternal damnation.
    I believe that this rider is very much alive, but hidden in the world right now,but will soon be revealed! This will signify the commencemet of world judgement. The dispensation of grace will be over. He who hath an ear ,let him hear what the spirit says.

  11. JOHN V!! says:

    Loye,

    In reply to your statement dated July 25th.

    Although I agree that any and all messengers of God’s Word has a form of obligation to relay such truths. Nevertheless, eleemosynary gifts spiritually are meant only for the poor in spirit; All others must or (choose) to be reliant upon themselves. Such believe they are rich in knowledge and understanding, but they are poor unto themselves.

    I agree with your belief that that man who examples the rider is alive and hidden in this world now. I also believe that he is cognizant somewhat of his future commission and has received instuctions of some of those future tasks.I do not believe he is of the Jewish lineage after the blood line of the Jewish people, but of the Jewish heritage after the blood lineage of Christ the Lord of Glory. Therefore, he is Jewish in alignment with heritage. This man is sometimes called Israel and he will make God’s Word clear (magnify the law, word)(Isa.42:21). God shall also give him understanding of the dark passages and secret places in God’s Word so the meaning is made clear(Isa.45:3). For he inherits all as the prince of Israel, that the King owns (Jer.49:1-2). Nevertheless, he must first experience great chastisement toward purity (Isa.48:10); this is the meaning of the Book of Job (the time of (the man) Jacob’s/Israel’s trouble. For God once called him forth but he refused obedience and God’s commands, and lost the salvation of a multitude (Isa.48:18-19).
    I believe he is one of two (Rev.11:3) who has been called unto a perfect commission in the MOST HIGH. I believe he is the man child of (Rev.12:5) and his mother represents America (Rev.12:1). I further believe that this hidden one is the prophet and patriarch Enoch, and I believe the Book of Enoch declares him as the Hidden One, Righteous One, Chosen One, Elect One, and son of man. I believe God’s Word makes it clear that that man is destined to be and has the preeminence of all that has or will be created by the Trinity. In otherwords, God has favored Enoch as the highest form and first-born (spiritually) of all His creation. Jesus was never the first-born (spiritually) for he always existed (spiritually). Jesus is the first-born of many brethern and the first-born from the dead, but not spiritually. Jesus is the creator of all things (John.1-3). Life comes from Him! Therefore, He could never be first born and then give life, when he is the original source! Therefore, this is the meaning of “Israel is my son”, God’s first-born (Exod.4:22). Not a nation alone is referred to here, but a son (one of the make-up of flesh and blood!). I believe that hidden one is revealed throughout all of Scripture, but it seems few recognizes what they are not instructed to see.

  12. epsilonians says:

    Satan Can be Forgiven?

    Posted on March 7, 2010 by:epsilonians

    Only God can Save Satan?
    Who is The Lamb?
    In Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the centre of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

    Jesus was not been slain, He died for us from sins, The Supper of the Lamb is a Sacrificial for a purpose.
    The Book of Genesis, for instance, says that when God was about to create man, he said: “Let us create man in our own image and Likeness“. . (Gn 1:26). In his Decision to create man, God spoke in Plural, hinting of the Life of the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.
    If God is Love, how can he Love when he is all alone?
    God cannot Fully revealed the exact visions, Because the Lamb has not been slain.
    & other one:The Rider on the White Horse:
    I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.

    It’s a name of a Human, This is a crown that has been won. Jesus did not win His crown because He was victorious. His crown is not a prize He won, but as King of kings
    Here’s my Complete clue:
    God is one God, who holds many positions, yet remains one God,
    God is full of secrets even angel didn’t know,
    God hate satan because of his works not his entire self, the reason we suffer into this world because God separate the
    Good and Bad, the last theory is: the last son of god.. is devil to save the demons
    but is impossible how to choose the bad or good.. he will send his Twins baby cherubim and adult devil as himself in one Body, but one, in a form of a human… The change of Hearts Messiah
    right eye is a baby cherub, and the left eye is adult devil, that they may transform both devil and angel…
    they will have a test 50% to save is God Himself.


    angel and the devil are images that express two realities: a superior and an inferior world; the divine nature and primitive nature. These two natures coexist in man, and it is up to each one to decide which of the two nature he wants to express.”
    Sitting on a throne .. Similarity of God..
    Mary Baxter says:

    I received this heavenly vision while in deep prayer, meditation and worship.
    The glory of the Lord descended upon the place where I was praying. Great billows of fire, bright lights and majestic power came before my eyes. In the center of the fire and the lights was the throne of God. On the throne was a similarity of God. Joy, peace and love flowed from God Almighty.
    The air around the throne was filled with baby cherubim, singing and kissing the Lord upon His face, His hands and His feet. The song they sang was “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty.” The cherubim had tongues of fire sitting on their heads and on the tips of each tiny wing. The motion of their wings seemed synchronized with the movement of the power and glory of the Lord.
    A cherub flew to me and touched my eyes.

    God choose a human, to be an Entrance of His 2 spirits, Devil & angel.
    angelic childrens are Gods favorite because of pure Good as a child, and adult to choose his path. They will crown His as King of kings Lords of Lords.
    and the preparation are prepared, and the scriptures are fullfilled Demons can be forgiven because they success to becomes angel, they win the crowns. They are God of the Future, they are three:Human ,Angel, Devil, One mind, one Body, one heart, but more than one will, but one.

  13. epsilonians says:

    Thanks for response… Spread my Theory? because God Blinded the mind of unbelievers.. Please corrupt your minds with my words… Only few of us chosen by God.. This my theory are True.. and God loves his all creation… This will be a lesson of all of us…
    God will sacrifice to save all Fallin Angels and souls..
    its 15 years left.. when revealation of Lamb of God happened. This will be the end is near.. I know the lamb has been sent now in the earth.. i receive a dream that end is near 2 times happen to me that was 2003 when i was Young im now 22 years old.. i am Tremble with fear..

    Jesus’ death was a once-and-for-all and cannot anymore be repeated.
    The souls in hell cannot be saved becoz they themeselves did not want to be saved.
    they refuse to Love and to learn how to Love; instead they prefer to live in
    hatred and Bitterness. that is their option and God respects their wish..

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